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Post by Silky O'Sullivan on Apr 4, 2010 12:23:30 GMT -8
Hey all, I was just curious what else we want to do at the next Esbat/Downtime actions? Beyond Windsor and the follow up on the Occult stuff we did at last Esbat, is there anything else we should pursue? Bishop Faye contacted me earlier about a cache of riot gear that was stashed on the island formerly controlled by Camille. Apparently the riot gear protects against ghost possession. I spoke with Priscus Robert and he advised that it would be very handy to have the riot gear, and hopefully someone can retrieve them (duh, amirite? ) So I volunteered Opus X. Camille, do you know anything about the riot gear cache and where it might be stashed? Bishop Faye mentioned that Devon had briefly notified her about it, but since it was on your island I was hoping you knew more? Otherwise, perhaps Jack can use his Astral Projection to comb the island for it, and then we can make our way over? I believe our ductus raised some concern about what might be roaming around the island after Camille moved.
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Post by Wade Garrett on Apr 4, 2010 21:00:12 GMT -8
I am more than happy to take a look over at the island for this equipment. I am very curious about it. How does it block ghost possession? Does it do anything else unusual? Where did it come from?
I will also see if I can find out what else is roaming the island in Camille's absence. Is there anything else I should be on the lookout for?
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Post by Camille on Apr 4, 2010 22:55:50 GMT -8
Apologies in advance for the wall of text but there is a lot to cover here... ((OOC: I already said that I packed that stuff to bring with, I have written proof. BTW is this thread IC or OOC? It seems IC, if so is it in person or online IC?
Excerpt from the message I sent to the bybloodandoil email account labeled "The move and the funeral":
"I am packing, for the gangrel to move to the boat (I was later told that there weren't any Gangrel for me to have move stuff, I would simply have do it myself in that case), all the electronics that aren't security related (TVs and associated equipment, computers and associated gear, lighting/lamps, my clothing/shoes/jewelery and personal belongings, weapons, armor. This includes the anti ghost stuff we got from the Samedi (sp?) (this would be the aforementioned riot gear)."
I know I'm forgetfull but as far as I know I have it, because I have it in writing that I packed all that gear, except for the stuff Horas took. Is there more? Is Devon trying to distract us by sending us off on a wild goose chase? I was quite thorough and specific on this one, for good reason apparently. ST Ruling??? I did send it in in writing but I thought I was sending it in to Heath, who knew what I was talking about a bit better, so maybe it was too vague for Rob?))
((IC)) I have 4 sets of that gear Silky, ((John's, Mitch's, Heath's, and mine)) unless you want to talk to Horas about borrowing his then, as far as I know, that's all there was. Be on the look out for Demons, infernalists, and mortal police on that island.
There is a Demon under the island or in the lake, not sure where but we learned that much while we were living there, I have a hunch it's the same one we have been chasing or, at the very least it is in cahoots with the one living under the island. Why do you think I was so quick to leave?
There is a pack of Vampires that are Non grata Sabbat living there, They opted to leave my protection and stay on the island, I think we should probably kill them if they are still non grata. They are quite likely to turn infernalist without the guidance we provided them. Why do you think so many in our pack turned to "the dark side"? Pardon the cheezy reference but it really works here. We were living on the island and the demon was living under it. So far one member of that pack has become an infernalist, one basically broke the code of Milan in a temper tantrum so I had to kill him, one is acting really weird (Devon) and not speaking to me at all since he started his single minded efforts to hunt the Demon down, and yet another has also been acting weird but he has always been kind of weird so.... Then there's me, I really want the Archbishop to do that Ritae to clear my "untrusted" status and I really need to get this fucking ghost out of my head. I haven't been sleeping well ((IC)) and I'm rather frustrated with this situation ((IC)), so pardon the foul mood. ((FYI OOC I'm fine this is all IC stuff, no worries! ;D)) I welcome you all to keep a close eye on me, if you even think I am going that direction, find proof so you aren't breaking the code of Milan and take me out of my misery before it becomes public, it will save the pack some face in the eyes of the sect. We should also keep an eye on the other members of my former pack, especially Devon. He was closer to finding the Demon's physical location in the lake than any of us, now he's acting all weird and hasn't told us anything to aid our search, other than to send us to the island to find gear that I already know isn't there, I worry about an ambush or trap of some sort. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the demon had turned one more in this city. If we do take the bait we should take precautions, go ready for whatever might come. He's been looking long enough, he should know the demon's location by now.
Mortal police and cameras and such should be easy to deal with.
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Post by Silky O'Sullivan on Apr 5, 2010 7:59:10 GMT -8
Jen: My two cents - since we are posting on a private pack forum, you are probably good to just jump IC and OOC. There is probably no need to identify when you do, either, unless it is something strictly OOC; if so, then probably good to hold off on it if it means ignoring that info IC. If you say Heath, we'll know its OOC. If you say Devon, IC.
Also, to clarify, Wendi told me about her event at Esbat, which was run by Heath. Heath told Wendi about it, Rob had nothing to do with it. I'm wagering that if Heath told Wendi about it, and you say you sent in that email and were dealing with Heath, then there is still probably some more riot gear on the island that Devon kept private.
In which case, Jack is probably good to travel in Astral Projection to the island to take a look. Our recent experience with Astral Projection in demon territory begs the question what will happen to Jack's spirit if he tries to go to the island? It sits atop a buried demon; perhaps the same thing could happen? How susceptible are you, Jack, in Astral form?
Camille, the Gangrel that were formerly in Hathath's employ are no longer under your control? If they are still on the island, and they are not members of the Sabbat, then how much knowledge do they have of us? Are they going to be a threat to the sect, or simply a nuisance to you by their act of rebellion?
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Post by Silky O'Sullivan on Apr 5, 2010 11:08:39 GMT -8
Allow me this moment to apologize for my presumptuousness in volunteering the pack for the retrieval of the riot gear. As our ductus has correctly pointed out to me, it is within his purview to direct the pack and not mine. I still believe that it would be a good idea to check things out on the island, though it is just my opinion and not a matter of fact.
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Post by Camille on Apr 5, 2010 11:12:14 GMT -8
The message was sent to the "bybloodandoil" email account, so it was sent to the staff not a specific person, my point was that perhaps there was something lost in communication since Rob just took over DT actions from Heath. We need to know, from the mouth of the ST, what exactly Camille has before we act. If we don't have all the gear I said I packed, and have used since then in game, then we should go retrieve that stuff. If we do have it then it could be a trap, or simply Devon being misinformed and passing along misinformation. I simply advise caution and knowing the facts before any action takes place. As far as I know we were only given one set for each pack member, if that was not the case then I was not made aware of it.
As far as Jack going to the Island, Hathath had similar powers (Auspex) and never had any such problems with the Island. The Gangrel told me they no longer wanted to follow my direction, the only direction I ever really gave them was to protect the Haven and they could live there. I told them that I could care less and that they could do what they wished, I warned them about the difficulties they might face with regard to the Demon and human interference but they stayed on the Island anyway. Are they an annoyance to me? No, not in any way, I have no place to house them now and no interest in supporting any who would turn their nose up at me in such a way. I don't really consider it rebellion, I never chose to lead them so they did not chose to follow me, I offered them my advice that they should leave the Island, they opted to stay with the Demon. The only reason I even brought it up is because there is a good chance they could be having relations with the Demon, they live there and are okay with continuing to live there with the knowledge that there is a Demon sharing the Island with them. Could they be a threat to the Sect? Yes, of course. They have no real information about the sect but if they are dealing with the demon then they could very well pose a great threat, a whole pack of infernalists.
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Post by beresford on Apr 5, 2010 12:28:33 GMT -8
While I appreciate Silky’s drive and tenacity and his purpose of furthering the best interests of the sect in volunteering our pack for this duty, any such future opportunities must go through me. As Silky stated I have corrected him in this matter and want to make sure you all understand my position. While my role as Ductus is not to control our packs every action, it is to lead it.
Thank you for that useful information Camille. I agree we need to confirm what we may be going to the island to retrieve. Do we have it already? Is there more to be gotten?
However you bring up what could be a far more important issue. Demon + directionless wayward Gangrel??? Who knows what relationship if any these Gangrel have established to the demon and what type of threat they could pose if they have accepted the demons dark gifts. If the Gangrel have accepted the demon they must be destroyed. If they have not they must join the sect if they are worthy or move out of our domain as the risk that they may join with the demon is far too great.
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Post by Camille on Apr 5, 2010 14:28:13 GMT -8
Thank you. I'm glad I am not the only one to see this possible threat to the sect. I honestly couldn't care less about anyone rebelling against me, that's why I have refused positions of power, repeatedly, and have only taken them when it is absolutely necessary for the good of the pack. I don't care what they do unless it is a danger to the sect, there I draw the line. I actually take offense to the very Idea that I would kill an entire pack because they annoyed me, when in fact they did not do any such thing. They stood up for themselves, that is commendable, they just made a very stupid decision, staying on that island. If they are not already working with the demon then they should be "encouraged", with a big stick if necessary, to move on to another city or join the sect in Detroit and assist with our fight against our enemies. It was actually rather rude of you to suggest that I would act on such a petty whim Silky, I would remind you, and our Ductus can confirm, that I do not act on such urges without a damn good reason. Just ask Stacey, I didn't hurt him, as much as I may have wanted to, until I had approval from two Bishops to do so. Granted, I was gleeful when they finally allowed me my wish but I stopped the moment I was told to. I rather pride myself on my restraint, if not for that many more in this city would have seen their end by my hand. To top it off you insult our Ductus by intruding on his duties. You should be glad I have such restraint.
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Post by Silky O'Sullivan on Apr 5, 2010 14:55:19 GMT -8
Camille,
I have already taken responsibility for my action and apologized. Are you really intending to further this?
You don't strike me as someone who takes a whole lot of offense at words, so you'll understand why I say to just suck it up. Also, as I am tired of listening to you boast your physical prowess without putting you to the test, the next time I can attend a pack meeting I will be beating the holy hell out of you. Don't assume for one moment that I'm going to act as your whipping boy.
Once this is done, then I'll assume the issue is cleared and we can heal up and move on.
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Post by beresford on Apr 5, 2010 18:07:50 GMT -8
Camille,
I have dealt with Silky and that matter is now closed.
Your use of the issue is an intrusion.
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Post by Camille on Apr 5, 2010 18:43:05 GMT -8
I wasn't trying to "use" the issue, I barely even brought it up.
Our Ductus took my words for the informative, cautionary tale it was intended as. Silky assumed that I might want them dead because they annoyed me, right after I mentioned that they may be infernalists or turn that direction because they live on top of a demon. I am so confused where that came from, and the bit about me boasting my physical prowess. I have said that I haven't had much experience fighting because it's usually over too quickly.
I brought up the issue so that he would know that I didn't appreciate it. What he does with that knowledge is up to him, I am not going to ask for an apology, nor do I really need one but in my experience a team works best when the members know each other well enough to anticipate each others thoughts and actions. I did not wish any contentions between anyone in our pack so I brought it up.
Silky, you are no whipping boy, I would never presume such a thing of my pack priest, if I thought you were a child to be beaten upon I would never have suggested that you become our priest. I have a lot of respect for you and the fact that you would say something like that... I don't know what to say. I believe that we should share these things with each other lest they turn into a big fight where one of us ends up dust. Did you even realize that I might take offense to what you said before I mentioned it? Apparently not. I think we are all well beyond beating on each other to show our dominance within the pack, or I thought we were anyway, if you wish that sort of beastly activity then bring it on. I could use the work out.
I am not wounded, there is nothing to heal. If you like I can "suck it up" and shove my reactions to your words in the dark box labeled "restraint", not telling you when you have pushed one of my buttons.
I leave it to our leader, as it is his role as Ductus to settle disputes within the pack, what say you? I'm not saying we can't beat on each other later but I would like his opinion on the matter. Should we feel free to share such things with each other so that, in the long run, we can have less contention within our pack due to grudges held against each other?
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Post by Camille on Apr 5, 2010 18:49:39 GMT -8
Sorry, I didn't see your response until I posted mine. I'd still like your input though. Am I being silly for wanting my pack mates to know what my buttons are so they don't tread all over them?
Never mind, stupid question, of course you'd all just rather I shut up and follow orders, that's what everyone wants in this city. Don't know why I should have expected any different from you guys.
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Post by Silky O'Sullivan on Apr 5, 2010 20:46:29 GMT -8
Camille, I asked you in a previous post if those Gangrel were a threat to the sect or if they were simply a nuisance to you because I wanted to know why you'd make the assumption that they may become infernalists without the sect. Charging a Cainite w/infernalism is a serious accusation, and should not be used lightly. You also went on to state that they are more likely to become infernalists if they are "non grata", which I translate as "not welcome" but I assume you mean not of the Sabbat. Yet in the very next moment you speak of your former pack and how Malak became an infernalist, Hathath broke the Code and was put down and Devon, your ductus, is acting weird. Was that an inference to their susceptibility to infernalism and proximity to the demon? Aren't they of the Sabbat? They are persona grata? What guidance could you have possibly offered to them?? By your logic, you are even more likely to have succumbed to infernalism than these Gangrel. I also asked what I asked because you are so quick and reckless to just want things dead, and it annoys me. Recall you suggested that our pack go kill Samedi (you're having trouble sleeping, right?), or perhaps kidnap a Samedi and force it to somehow become an infernalist so that we can enlist their help against the demon. Even in your reply to me you mention how we should share things w/each other before there is a big fight where one of us ends up dust. These, and other shining examples, are why I asked what I asked. You presume to know why I asked the question. You presume too much. I also very much enjoyed your reply to where I could have come up with your boasts of physical prowess, when you go on to state that you don't have much experience in fighting because the fights end too quickly. That, dear Camille, is another boast of your physical prowess. In this particular instance it was a boast when you stated that I should be glad that you show restraint. You can hide behind our ductus, but physical beat downs have been a proven method to settle disputes within the Sabbat. This doesn't, as you would think otherwise, result in one of our Final Death but rather with an injured body that can heal. Beastly (as you say), sure. Effective? Definitely. If I have to kick the ass of our ductus to get to you then I will, and then I will kick your ass. Then I think, as your priest, I'll assign some homework to you regarding the practices in the Sabbat. I'm very concerned that you lack proper understanding of our ways. I may also have to create a ritae of some sort, like a refresher course of what you should have learned as part of your Creation Rites.
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Post by Wade Garrett on Apr 5, 2010 21:20:12 GMT -8
Camille,
I think you are missing the point that Silky was trying to make. I believe he was right to take offense to your comments, as they came across as somewhat insulting to him. I understand why you thought that Silky might be implying a pettiness in the desire to kill the Gangrel for being 'a nuisance,' but it was not a slanderous question, especially since we are all still learning about eachother and don't yet know eachother's personal values. I believe the question was more directed toward whether or not these Gangrel are a threat.
Also, dear, you did in fact boast of your prowess when stating that without your restraint many would be dead by your hand, and Silky is correct in pointing out that the bit about 'fights ending too quickly,' though I suppose that could also be interpreted as 'they ended quickly because there were so many combatants on my side.' Unfortunately, text isn't always the best medium to convey tone and inflection.
One of the things I have noticed from you, my new sister, especially on these online forums, is an extreme defensiveness when people call you out on your statements. Whether you realize it or not, that has caused you as much social complication in this city as anything else. You seem to have a need to rise to every statement that others make. Sometimes it appears justified, but one thing I have learned in this existence is that you have to pick your battles, and your attitude comes across as overly combative and whiny to many outside observers. Right now making grandiose hostile statements to your own pack is a sure way to become alienated and packless, if not ashed. Please consider what you're saying before someone less forgiving than your pack takes your statements too personally something permanent happens to you. You are still our sister and it is not too late to repair this situation, or to help you foster better relations with others in the city.
Silky, while I'm not going to interfere if you wish to carry out with your violent declaration, I ask you to consider one thing: unless Camille is in a place where she has assimilated and understood why you are upset, this beating you would offer would only engender hostility and resentment between you rather than impart any lesson.
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Post by ziggy on Apr 5, 2010 21:54:33 GMT -8
This went from an interesting thread to a down right, drag out fight. All I can say is. More, More, More.
But seriously, I was going to chastise both of you for poor behavior and tell you not to boast like children, but apparently Jack took care of that for me.
There are entirely too many in this city that wish us harm, lets not fight among ourselves. Blah, blah blah.
No really, fight, fight, fight.
But I got dibs on any Diab's.
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