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Post by The One Rob on Mar 17, 2010 12:06:38 GMT -8
(OOC - The Below was moved to the from the Announcements of the Regime, since announcements has no IC forum for discussion.)
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stacey
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Former Archbishop of Detroit
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Post by stacey on Mar 18, 2010 17:44:18 GMT -8
Untrusted... how ironic...
The five people declared Untrusted for not participating in the vaulderie are the only five people in the city not bound by blood to Infernalists.
And yet as ridiculous as that notion is... as offensive it is to the entire system and beliefs of the Sabbat... the status given to us actually fits quite well. Because the further the city's Cainites go towards being blood bonded to Infernalists, the more likely it is that we purge the city again and kill every last one of you for being pawns of the demon - the same way it was done just months ago. History repeats itself and no one learns. I might just end up killing people I considered allies, if not friends. Again.
Untrusted... How ironic...
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Post by The One Rob on Mar 18, 2010 18:14:20 GMT -8
Stacey,
You seem to be under the mistaken belief that when an Archbishop calls for a Vaulderie, that you have the option to refuse without consequences. You further seem to be under the impression that continuing to flout his so far out of character restraint is a good idea. You were once the Archbishop of Detroit, however you were unable to perform the job adequately and no longer hold any position of respect or authority in the Sect. Continue to act as if you do and you will most assuredly learn that there are limits to his patience.
Polish your ego as you will, you have earned respect as a member of the Sect, but do it without attempting to undermine his authority or position any further. No more of that will be tolerated.
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stacey
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Former Archbishop of Detroit
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Post by stacey on Mar 18, 2010 20:52:25 GMT -8
I'm more than willing to accept the consequences of anything I have or haven't done. As I said, being Untrusted fits considering the circumstances. Pointing out the fact that the five of us are the only ones not magically/spiritually connected to a demon is a point that has been conveniently ignored. The point of it being mentioned, yet again, is to warn people that the city has gone down a similar path before, just several months ago. And I would caution it from doing so again. As an outsider to our city, an invited guest, I can understand why you might not be as cautious or as familiar with the circumstances. But I don't have the luxury of sitting back quietly and letting everyone go down the exact same road that was taken in this city just months ago.
You haven't been with us. You aren't from here. You haven't gone through what we've gone through. You didn't have to fight for your position in this city. You didn't have to fight for this city to try to save it and when things fell to shit you didn't have to fight this city to try to save it. Your position was handed to you so I can't expect you to understand how dangerous it is to see Infernalists closing their grip around the city in the exact same way they did the first time. And I can't expect you to understand how it feels to see outsiders take it casually.
I act as I have always acted. And will continue to do so. When it comes between the city of Detroit and its Archbishop - the city of Detroit wins every time.
If that were not the case, you wouldn't even be here.
If I have to point out certain interesting facts for the good of the city, then I'll do that. I'm sorry if you feel like it embarrasses you or the Archbishop, but the facts are what they are. They are important facts. And they are dangerous facts - to the city and to the sect. To let them go ignored is not an option. Infernalists are in the city and they are bonding the rest of the city to them. The only people free of their taint have been declared Untrusted. If pointing that out is a problem - then we have a problem. This isn't a pissing contest and it isn't something to be swept under the rug. Its a big fucking deal.
If you don't want to take it seriously, I'll find someone that will. If I have to go around you to get something done for this city, I'll do it. If I have to go through you, I'll do that too. But threaten as much as you like. I can handle that. Be as overprotective of your master as you like. I can understand that. So long as you know one fact - the Sabbat and the city of Detroit come before anyone's personal pride, even mine, even an Archbishop's.
If that were not the case, you wouldn't even be here.
((P.S. - As for my tenure as Archbishop you are so far off the mark that it is obvious you literally just guessed blindly at the circumstances in an attempt to put me down - but missed wildly. And everyone in the city that was here for my "tenure" knows that. All you had to do was ask someone. Sorry. Bluff failed. When you reach for an insult, make sure there is one there to be grasped instead of just coming up with something out of thin air. You say I've earned respect in this sect, so if you're just going to make shit up, throw it at me and hope it sticks then at least come up with something creative.))
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Post by The One Rob on Mar 18, 2010 23:24:51 GMT -8
You misunderstand me if you feel threatened by my words Stacey, I only warn of consequences. You seem however to believe that you exist outside of the bonds of the Sect, as a law unto yourself. Understand that you are not. I have said that you have earned your respect as a member of the Sect, but you gave up any right to direct it when you abandoned your position and your sectmates. That is the essence of your failure Stacey, your duty as Archbishop was to maintain and direct the spiritual well being of the sect in Detroit, despite it not really suiting you to babysit them, to paraphrase your words.
You chose instead to abandon them and fight as an individual, and you chose to fight for the sect rather then simply flee when you did and I respect you for that, but that is all you are now, a respected member of the sect. As a sectmate, you have every right to disagree with the Archbishop, however you do not have the right to disobey.
Make no mistake, we came to this city with assistance, yours and others who served us well, but we did not come into this city by your leave.
William is not your enemy Stacey, I am not your enemy. But he is your Archbishop, and you will do your duty as a member of the sect.
And please, I know it was simply a mistaken use of the word, but to liken the Vaulderie to a Blood Bond, it insults everything the sect holds sacrosanct. Be more careful with your wording in the future before serious offense is taken. Carelessness like that is what allowed this city to fall so far in the first place.
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Post by beresford on Mar 19, 2010 0:58:11 GMT -8
Stacey,
Untrusted... I see no irony.
You speak forcefully about how offensive the idea is to gain negative status for not participating in a Vaulderie tainted by infernalism. You crow about how you have stayed pure and may have to purge the city again. You rail against anyone who dares to follow the Code of Milan and question your actions.
Where was all this righteous outrage before the Vaulderie? You say you knew Malek was an infernalist. You say “But I don't have the luxury of sitting back quietly and letting everyone go down the exact same road that was taken in this city just months ago.” Where was this furious conviction before the Vaulderie? You were not just sitting back quietly, you were silent.
If we had not questioned you would you even now be saying anything? You didn’t abandon the city when you left your post as Arch Bishop but if you truly believe what you now say, you certainly abandoned the city before the last Vaulderie.
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Post by Camille on Mar 19, 2010 11:19:23 GMT -8
Wait, who is making accusations that "...are so far off the mark that it is obvious you literally just guessed blindly at the circumstances in an attempt to put me down - but missed wildly."? Let's think back a bit...
Who said in reference to me...
"With a deficient sire who was more interested in an eternal fuck toy than strengthening the sect, I can't really blame you completely. But the fact remains that you lacked proper instruction."
And...
"Sorry to put your business out in the street, but just because your sire anal raped you into torpor on a nightly basis does not mean violence is wrong."
That is so far off the mark, I don't even know what to say so I have said nothing because your opinions don't really matter to me, besides everyone knows you and your mouth, even an act of god couldn't shut you up.
Who posted the Code Of Milan and made a big deal of it? Oh yeah, it was Stacy, the one who doesn't want us to follow it by allowing us to question the actions of our brethren, when they obviously are not following the will of the Archbishop.
Who in the city says that he has "been the most vocal about holding people accountable for their responsibilities to the sect." Does he think he shouldn't be held accountable?
ALL those quotes were from the Cainite network boards, and ALL from Stacey. He needs some new material, I've seen more originality in a paint by numbers class.
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Post by The One Rob on Mar 19, 2010 12:24:50 GMT -8
I understand that you have your personal issues with Stacey, but do not let the dross distract you from the core of his words, he already accepted responsibility for his disobedience, and with his history of service I do not doubt his sincerity.
What we settle here is simply a matter of position, the Archbishop of Detroit is responsible for the well being of the Cainites in his domain, and he will not tolerate interference or disobedience that might threaten them.
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Post by Camille on Mar 19, 2010 14:02:13 GMT -8
I sincerely thank you for your efforts.
My point is that he has a bad habit of accusing others of things he does all the time.
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Post by jacobwesley on Mar 19, 2010 17:46:02 GMT -8
; That is so far off the mark, I don't even know what to say so I have said nothing because your opinions don't really matter to me, besides everyone knows you and your mouth, even an act of god couldn't shut you up. You have said nothing? My god, I wonder what you are like when you have something to say. Charles mutherfucking Dickens, no doubt. This shit is done. It all boils down to a had ful of people trying to score points bby saying how bad it was that Stacey missed a Vaulderie. In the scheme of things, that don't mean shit. He missed the vaulderie, the Archbishop has given status, Stacey accepted. There will be another vaulderie. Done.
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